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Lawyers Vent Here

This site is dedicated to lawyers. Yes, lawyers. We work insane hours, are often stuck between two people or companies intent on destroying each other, and then have to bear the brunt of obnoxious legal jokes. We deserve better. We deserve to have a place where we can let some of it out in a constructive way.

This is such a place.

A few rules:

1) No real names.

2) You are solely responsible for what you post.

3) The drop-down lists are there for your convenience. They’re not required, but if you take a moment to make some selections, it will help with some searching and sorting functions that are being added.  Plus, they might remind you of something you want to vent about….

4) The rules will be changed and updated, as will this site — it’s still in beta, after all.

5) Don’t lawyer the rules.

Go to it!


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13 Vents

Posted by Lawyer #

Vent Information:
Venter:   Partner 
Venting about a(n):  Colleague 
Region:   Mexico 
Vent Level:   Outraged 
The Vent:

Posted by Lawyer # 295

Vent Information:
Venter:   Sole Practitioner 
Venting about a(n):  Legal Profession 
Region:   Northeast 
Vent Level:   Furious 
The Vent:

I am really second guessing our profession and that is “family” law when in fact we break up families and make the situation so much more worse. A divorce could be done in 3 hours but I need to counter the blantant lies of opposing counsel and just pisses me off what do to these families.


Posted by Lawyer # 120

Vent Information:
Venter:   Government lawyer 
Venting about a(n):  Colleague 
Region:   Southeast 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

#5 I can totally relate. The appellate rules in my circuit make you laugh in frustration. The rule is stupid; they know it is stupid; yet, they require you to follow the rule anyway.

On to my vent….

My vent is tht I chose a government job to make more money. Government lawyers lack a confidence level to fight. Each time I offer a fighting position, I am told “that will not work.” Stop being difficult. Well…I am fighting for my client. I just cannot believe someone would chose to practice law with no interest in really putting up a fight.

In addition, when a fight really needs to be made, they hire outside lawyers. What type of message does that send to the public. We can be lawyers, but when we need real lawyers we go to a law firm.


Posted by Lawyer # 40

Vent Information:
Venter:   Law student 
Venting about a(n):  Legal Profession 
Region:   Southwest 
Vent Level:   Furious 
The Vent:

Holy crap!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?pagewanted=1&ref=general&src=me


Posted by Lawyer # 24

Vent Information:
Venter:   In-house lawyer 
Venting about a(n):  Other 
Region:   Midwest 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

Oh, please “Lawyer 14″ — nothing like making vast generalizations while engaging in self-puffery (“I’m such a sterling, upright guy and my clients are all terrible”). Sounds as if your client-service mentality has really come through in your relationships. By the way, learn some basic grammar.


Posted by Lawyer # 14

Vent Information:
Venter:   Other 
Venting about a(n):  Law firm 
Region:   Northeast 
Vent Level:   Outraged 
The Vent:

OK – for you lawyers that need to vent, here’s a vent on you and maybe a brief explanation on why you get so much grief. So you know my position, I work in a firm that caters to the legal profession and supply billable consultants to them for their IT needs.

How many times I have heard – BUDGET is going to be an issue. Or “You charge what an hour, that is rediculous” or better, “I know this is out of the scope, but can you do this as well” Every excuse about money – I’ve heard it.

I have a firm that handles all of my contracts. I get charged for every minute, billed for copies, mailings and phone calls – the minute I ask – the clock goes on. But it seems perfectly reasonable to have me spend hours on proposals, design networks and supply equipment lists only so those cheap lawyers can save a few dollars and buy the crap on Ebay.

I saw on here that some one posted about past due bills – hahahahahaha – try squeezing owed money from an attorney when the invoice comes in. Like your asking for their first son. NEVER has anyone just sent the invoice back paid, always an arguement or a challenge on the bill, even when their happy about the work. Then, of course, the delays mount because it need to go to the partnership or a freaking committee for approval – as is they didn’t know the bill was coming – the partners/committee approved the project in the first place.

Here’s a thought. Do your jobs, quit your bitching and pay your bills like everyone else. That guy that said he has past due invoices and then people call for advice – you are the biggest culprits, except you don’t feel bad when doing so, as if it’s inerent in your nature.

And to that person that said that we are all experts since we read it on google. Again, hahahahaha – try telling an attorney about IT, they know everything and will clearly tell you how to do it. Apparently attorneys use google more then the common man since every time they ask a question, it is (without taking a breath)answered by them before I even get a chance.

My only consolation is when I hear about the firms network crashing or that they got screwed and have to do it all over again when they take their short cuts. And when they call me for their “Emergencies” I tell them they are in the back of the line and that paying customers go first. Then add a 20% premium to there rate jsut to show them I care.

And the solo guys/small firms, no offense as most of you understand your role. But I love the ones that have a single computer and call it a network – you’re a joke. As an IT professional – no one cares that you argued in the supreme court and that all your friends think your important – you aren’t worth crap to us and we run from you. You innundate us with calls thinking your sooo important, you waste our time wit stupid questions and in the end, even if you charge $500 an hour – you can’t afford us. Go to those idiot driving around in the punch buggies for help – you don’t deserve our expertise and you wouldn’t know whatt do with it if you got it.

To all, quit thinking your so great, you may be in the legal world but to the rest of us your a joke. Quit your whining, you’re no better then Joe’s shoe shop down the street – they’re money is green too. And an invoice is an invoice, pay the damn thing instead of an arguement over 30 cents or 5 minutes. You suck us all dry – learn how to take it as good as you give it.

Lastly, for people who buy things from us. Read the damn contracts, isn’t that your job? To call me six months later asking about the terms of a contract you already signed – my god, you should not be a lawyer.

OK – I ma done – to be fair, there are a lot of attorneys that I am NOT talking to in this post – to you I say keep doing what you are doing and you will rise above the scum that is the profession. (Excuse any typos – I was pissed and didn’t reread it)


Posted by Lawyer # 13

Vent Information:
Venter:   Law student 
Venting about a(n):  Law school 
Region:   Southeast 
Vent Level:   Outraged 
The Vent:

I’m outraged at how misleading law schools are in advertising average salaries upon graduation. My school posts a salary that is about $40k off from reality.


Posted by Lawyer # 12

Vent Information:
Venter:   Sole Practitioner 
Venting about a(n):  Other 
Region:   Southwest 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

Can’t decide which is more annoying — people who think that I should know the answers to questions about obscure or arcane areas of the law (like ERISA) that I don’t specialize in, off the top of my head, or people who think that since they’ve googled a legal term they suddenly know as much about it as a lawyer who specializes in that area.


Posted by Lawyer # 11

Vent Information:
Venter:   Law student 
Venting about a(n):  Law school 
Region:   Not Specified 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

I’m really sick of the political indoctrination I’m getting in law school. Professors are supposed to be teaching the law, not trying to indoctrinate students with their own personal political views (almost always far-left).


Posted by Lawyer # 10

Vent Information:
Venter:   Sole Practitioner 
Venting about a(n):  Client 
Region:   Not Specified 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

Why do clients who fail to pay their bills for months at a time act shocked when they call me asking for legal advice and I tell them that I’ll be happy to continue working for them when they get current on their bills? It’s not as if they’ve missed the repeated “account overdue” invoices.


Posted by Lawyer # 9

Vent Information:
Venter:   Associate 
Venting about a(n):  Work Hours 
Region:   Northeast 
Vent Level:   Outraged 
The Vent:

To Lawyer # 7 – give me a break. You’re a partner making money from all the associates who are expected to be in the office seven days a week, like me. If you choose to arrange your life so that you still have to come in on weekends, that’s your fault. You could change it if you really wanted to.


Posted by Lawyer # 7

Vent Information:
Venter:   Partner 
Venting about a(n):  Work Hours 
Region:   Northwest 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

I hate the fact that I’m going to be at the office ALL EVENING on a Friday night, and that I’ll be working both days this weekend. My kids are starting to forget what I look like.


Posted by Lawyer # 6

Vent Information:
Venter:   Sole Practitioner 
Venting about a(n):  Lawyer Jokes 
Region:   Northwest 
Vent Level:   Really Annoyed 
The Vent:

I just love it when I’m at a party and someone finds out I’m a lawyer, and then tells a lawyer joke I’ve heard a thousand times before — and then they ask me for legal advice. Yeah, I’m really in the mood to help them for free after they’ve made insulting jokes about my profession.


Posted by Lawyer # 5

Vent Information:
Venter:   Associate 
Venting about a(n):  Clerk 
Region:   Southeast 
Vent Level:   Furious 
The Vent:

Wow, first vent! I’m honored. Guess it was meant to be.

This happened a little while ago, but I am STILL furious. I filed a really well-written and researched appellate brief with a state court. Worked really hard on it. Came in a paragraph under the (pretty short) page limit. Had several appellate lawyers in the firm review it before filing.

Days after the filing, I get a call from the clerk.

“Your brief is being rejected. You’ll have to petition to refile.”

“WHAT? WHY???”

“You’re over the page limit.”

“No I’m not. The rules say x pages; my brief was under that.”

“You used the wrong font.”

“What do you mean? The rules say use Y point type. That’s what I used. I’m not trying to pull a fast one.”

“Yeah, but you used a PROPORTIONAL font. That means narrow letters take up less space than wide letters. If you had used a NONPROPORTIONAL font, every letter would take up the same amount of space, so you would have had to use fewer words. So you’re over the page limit.”

“Oh my god. Has anyone used a proportional font in a brief before? Was their brief bounced?”

“Well, lots of people have used proportional fonts and gone up to the page limit. We just decided to start enforcing this rule after someone explained typesetting terminology to us. So your brief is the first to be bounced.”

ARRRGGHHH.

So I petitioned to refile; the petition was allowed. But did they have to require the petition? Couldn’t they just have said “look, your brief is being returned, but you have z days to refile it”? Noooo. They had to add the extra humiliation of a petition.

At least I now have experience getting shafted by obscure terminology in fine print.